Saturday, May 15, 2010

Whats is better Jujitsu or Judo?

They are both different style in Martial arts.

Which is better to defend yourself with if your being attack by someone way bigger than you?|||What%26#039;s hilarious are the interjected opinions of people who have studied neither.

The truth is either will be of help if trained realistically.

I can show you every punch, kick, joint lock, choke, throw, elbow, knee, and head butt in the world. But if you never do them against another human being attempting to do the same to you, that knowledge is worthless because you lack practical experience.

Also for the %26quot;Sportative%26quot; people.

Try to keep in mind in the early days they held open tournaments between the head Jujitsu practioners and the head Judo practitioners as to what the official art of the Tokyo police would be. The Judo practioners wiped the floor with the Jujitsuka.

I have studied both, obviously I am somewhat biased towards Judo simply because I found it more effective.

I find that most Jujitsu grappling techniques, especially throws aren%26#039;t designed well. They are great if I was wearing armor, or my opponent was wearing armor, but the required much more strength.

However Judo seems to have better leverage principles in mind, and has a mantra of maximum effeciency with minimal effort.

As far as defense from being attacked, training matters more than specific style.

Especially if you are sparring with big guys constantly and know what techniques work well for you on larger opponents and which ones do not.

Again, practial experience is what is important.

Let%26#039;s take a throw:

O Goshi, (basic hip throw), both Judo and Jujitsu show it. Jujitsu spends 20 minutes on it, you throw your opponent a few times, then they move on to a strike, etc.

Well you know O%26#039;Goshi, you have thrown it once or twice.

In Judo you would learn the throw, do it countless times in repetition, more than likely throw everyone in your school with it with throwing drills, and then are forced to use it in sparring.

YOu find out when a good time to use it is, when a bad time to use it is, what body types can you use it effectively, what body types do not, etc.

You only gain real knowledge of the throw through this sparring. That is how you gain timing, and the ability to see and feel the openings for a technique.

That is not to say you can%26#039;t gain that through Jujitsu, but learning a bunch of stuff and not being able to practice it all at full speed against a resisting opponent will greatly hinder you.

I have been to Jujitsu places that%26#039;s sparring was very similar to MMA, it allows for stand up striking, throwing, ground work, etc. It was incredibly effective.

I have also been to Jujitsu schools that was very much cooperative opponents, little to no resistance training, and just going through the moves, prechoreographed attack sequences and your standard kata like based teaching without the practical application.

Practical application is not your instructor telling you %26quot;when someone punches like this, you do this%26quot; and then going back and forth with your partner throwing the same punch at you and you defending.

Practical application is you facing an opponent who WANTS to and is TRYING HIS BEST to punch you, and you execute your technique, and he continues to follow through with attacking you.

Reader%26#039;s Digest: Hard sparring, competetions, tournaments. When you can execute your technique against a stranger who knows all the defenses to that technique, is aware of it, and you still are able to do it. Then you know you have an effective technique.

You aren%26#039;t an effective knock out artist if you have never knocked anyone out.

You aren%26#039;t an effective striker if you haven%26#039;t struck another person as hard as you can.

Just the way it is.

Either art can be effective provided it is trained effectively.

The vast majority of Judo places do train effectively.

A great many Jujitsu places do not.

Just my opinion and experience.


Before he added the BJJ part I answered, I was talking about classical Japanese Jujitsu. It is hard to find a good Jujitsu place stateside that trains alive. Some do, but they are almost the exception instead of the rule.

BJJ is much like Judo, always trained alive.|||Brazilian Jujitsu is supposed to be VERY good for defending yourself in hands-on combat. My dad went to a class once, and he said that they worked on how to get out of holds on the ground, which is something that you don%26#039;t get out of a lot of other martial arts. In the army, they teach you judo, or at least what they call judo, in basic training, which covers the basic self defense (getting out of wrist holds, choke-holds, etc.) They also teach you take-downs.

Basically, they both have their pluses, and you%26#039;d probably be best served to find several of each different kind of club in your area and try them out to find what suits your need.

BTW, almost any technique, used properly, will work against someone bigger than you. Trust me, I%26#039;m short too.|||It depends on the situation and the person using the style. Most styles of Judo are better for throwing opponents than Jujitsu. However, Aikjujitsu is as good for thowing as Judo. Brazilian Jujitsu is probably the best groundfighting style around, although Judo is excellent for groundfighting against an unskilled opponent once the fight goes to the ground. Judo is basically a safe form of jujitsu designed for sport rather than combat. Combat Judo and Gene LeBell%26#039;s Judo are the exception, as they are both very effective for self defense and for hurting your opponent.|||judo is the sportative form of juijitsu.

that bieng said the %26quot;better%26quot; art is the one more realistically trained.

judo has limited techniques compared to juijitsu as they generally train within the competition ruleset, which by grappling standards applies to reality very easily, but they are more likely to train harder and against resisting opponents.

juijitsu might have a larger %26quot;repotiore%26quot; so to speak, but unless the school trains with intensity and realism (fully resisting opponents), then you aren%26#039;t learning to apply the techniques and thus not really learning anything at all.

as far as the %26quot;bigger opponent%26quot; issue, anyone who tells you size doesn%26#039;t matter is lieing to you or is an idiot.

of course its more difficult to go against someone bigger than you, why do you think boxing has weight classes?

not that it can%26#039;t be done, but the bigger the divide, the more skilled you need to be to compensate for it, and some techniques may not work at all- thus the need for realistic training so you would be able to gague this.

EDIT: why do you people insist on interjecting about different styles when thats not what was bieng asked. unless you are a teacher soliciting business for your school there is no reason to style nut hug when the guy specifically asked a question not soliciting general input on %26quot;what style should I take%26quot;?|||Both Jujitsu %26amp; Judo are %26quot;grappling%26quot; type of martial arts. And both main technique is throwing their opponents. So, I can say both are the same level.

If someone bigger than you is attacking, you are in great trouble because this is the most well-known disadvantage of grappling type or martial arts. You may grapple him, but tell me how you going to throw him?

For me, I prefer Thai Muay as it%26#039;s more balance between defensing and attacking. It%26#039;s fancy too..|||Yeah Jujitsu is about self control Judo is kind of dangerous because you use the other person force from a punch or a while they are coming at you against them Matt Riddle last night used it last night.... when time went in full force towards Matt, Matt rushed in and used it against him and started to dominate. It is dangerous because it can back fire on you you go in to use your Judo and the catch ya with a right upper cut or something.|||Judo was developed for Sport competition only. Although it is a good form of exercise, the Judo techniques are only taught to throw your opponent not to mainly defend yourself. Therefore I would choose Jujitsu which will give you a well rounded way of defense.

Good Luck!

Grand Master Dennis Engard

Tae Kwon Do - Hapkido|||Jujitsu... Took it when i was a kid. It was cool but its really all about self control. I didnt like it. I ended up taking Kugsudo or something... that was fun. I broke a kid in my classes nose... Anyway... I%26#039;d go with Judo|||Judo would be the better thing because it shows you how to defend yourself; maximum profiecintcy minimum effort as in big guy charges at you learn to use his momentum against him to throw him down. So yeah id say Judo.|||Bluto said it as clearly as it can be said.

I especially agree with the Edit: comment he has too!|||Jujitsu is better for street.

Judo is better for sport.|||BJJ|||Judo! (agrees with everyone else :)|||I agree with Judo Mofo for the most part, as far as it depends on how the art is trained and practiced. Regarding the O%26#039;Goshi comment though, that too depends on which academy you are learning from. I have NEVER learned a technique, done it once or twice against an opponent willing to let me throw it and call it a day. We train, train and train every technique we learn until the technique is as close to perfect as you can get, then we go live and apply the technique in a sparring situation along with all of the other techniques we have learned. Day in and day out this happens constantly revisiting techniques and ALWAYS going live.

BJJ is one of the most popular arts around which means there is money to be made. Anytime there is money to be made you will find unqualified folks trying to capitalize and you get bad training. Right now BJJ academies are going through this the way TMA(McDojo%26#039;s) went through this in the 80%26#039;s and 90%26#039;s, so make sure to do your research before you commit to an academy whether its Judo or BJJ. I have come out on top in many matches against Judo players and I have been handled by Judo players as well, athleticism, size, strength and level of training all matter.

There are many folks with no training at all that can negate anyone%26#039;s technique with strength. speed and athletic prowes in a street fight situation, a lot of NFL linebackers are so much stronger, faster, and more explosive than your average Judo Player or BJJ practitioner, there is no training that readies you fro something like that.

I think an even better question is where to find good BJJ or Judo training as they will both be effective if taught and practiced properly.

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