Correct me if I%26#039;m wrong but the perception seems to be that the Brazilian%26#039;s created a totally new system that was invincible and no one had ever seen anythign like it. The truth is the Gracie%26#039;s brought grappling back to the US. I don%26#039;t want to denigrate the Gracie%26#039;s I have a ton of respect for that family. Doesn%26#039;t it seem though that people completely lose track of the fact that catch wrestling was popular at one point in the US. The guy who taught the Gracie family spent time in catch wrestling tournaments. some of the best MMA fighters have a history more impacted by catch wrestling than jujitsu including the Shamrock%26#039;s, Barnett, Sakuraba.
Here is a link to a wreslting manual published in 1912 far before the gracie%26#039;s arrived. With alot of good submissions and wrestling techniques
http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/...
The people today who practice the japanese based jujitsu are viewed as second class citizens even though is started japan|||Yes. And much respect to the Gracie%26#039;s but c%26#039;mon. Even that system had to evolve rather quickly. Ever wonder why they are not winning much. No really. Before all y%26#039;all think I%26#039;m hating, how many of the NEW Gracie%26#039;s are on top of the fight world? The world evolved. And many learned the Gracie system...and mastered the art.
BTW, you%26#039;re on the right track. BJJ evolved from Japanese jiu-jitsu, a much dirtier form that included joint manipulation, eye gouging, biting, etc. Gracie evolved it into a sport. A clean and safe sport. Kudos! But to call it a totally new system just isn%26#039;t true. It%26#039;s an evolution of what existed. All modern martial arts are evolutions of the old. Look up kajukenbo and you will know what I mean. It%26#039;s the first true MMA fight system with belt rankings. Plus it%26#039;s arguably the youngest martial arts form out there. An evolution of 4 other styles: Karate, Judo/Jiu-jitsu, Kempo, and Bo-fu (Chinese kickboxing). And yes it%26#039;s got application. It was born from street fighting in the Paloma community in Hawaii, regarded as one of the seedest neighborhoods around.
More power to you, brah!|||its a good style the problem is a lot of ppl who do it are blind to the fact that its good for its intended purpose.its not the be all and end all of martial arts as some seem to think.|||Yes you are correct, the Gracies are a remarkable and very talented family of fighters. I think another influnce for the situation is the current %26quot;pop media culture%26quot; which tends to negate historical influences or overlook them entirely.
some of the other comments are dead on as well.|||It does get too much credit. One of the places where it gets too much credit is everyone thinking that it%26#039;s so great compared to striking arts just because the Gracie%26#039;s were destroying the stand-up fighters in the early days of the UFC. But what people fail to realize is that the mat surfaces used in the beginning of UFC%26#039;s were designed to favor ground based fighters. The Gracies helped to create UFC and thus could choose the surfaces they fought on. The surfaces were much softer which kept standing/striking guys from being able to jump or keep proper footing. Once the surfaces were changed to be more stable, the striking arts started to catch up again. It was all rigged when looked at from a certain point of view. Their style wasn%26#039;t (and isn%26#039;t) so much invincible as they simply had home court advantage in the beginning.
You%26#039;re also correct that Jujitsu/Jujutsu originated in Japan but also keep in mind that there are styles that are neither Japanese nor Brazilian. My primary martial art is a striking art (Shorei Ryu) but I%26#039;m also a practitioner of Danzan Ryu Jujutsu which is a Hawaiian art with Japanese roots. I do agree that people who absolutely worship the Brazilian style do need a little more reverence for the Japanese styles though.|||ill answer this later im gunna go eat|||yea id learn juijitsu over bjj... but thats just cas bjj is so active in the mma... but yea wat ever i dont think it sucks or ne thing|||It wouldn%26#039;t get so much credit if it wasn%26#039;t good and producing quality fighters....|||I believe it to be a good system, but since I have never studied it in depth from afar or from actual practice, I cannot comment too much on it.
I will say this, though: as with anything else, martial arts have trends which are popular for a few years until the novelty wears off. BJJ just happens to be one of the most recent trends, but before that, it was Tae Kwon Do, Ninjitsu, and in the 70%26#039;s, Chinese boxing collectively known as kung fu. I won%26#039;t even comment about Tae Bo.... ugh.
Since martial arts follow trends, those who are dedicated to BJJ will stick with it, and others will simply follow whatever else becomes popular. So, I don%26#039;t necessarily agree with you that BJJ receives too much credit and is over sold - it is simply the flavor of the month.|||yes it is over rated..and the gracie family tries to make it like they own the style or they created their own style ...they always say that it is totally different from the regular japanese juijitsu....And I mean...THEY ALWAYS SAY THIS.....To be honest, its the same thing with a couple of changes....It sounds like someone took an invention..changed the color..and called it their creation....The gracie family isnt all that either..we only see royce fighting...and he doesnt win every single fight...in some of them..he gets the crap beaten out of him....and its not just once or twice either...i do admit that..he is still pretty tough..but what about the rest of the family? See? Every once in a while a person who has the ability, learns martial arts and becomes pretty good...and he isnt bad...but thats just one guy in the family that was half way decent.....
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