now i know it can be a good for mma to have, but for all selfdefence purpose. don,t most of y%26#039;all agree that a stand up style is better. i mean if your on the ground with someone who%26#039;s to say his partner wont come up and bash in the head........just a thought, i study tang soo do|||First of all the mma people are talking about jui jitsu (BJJ). They say this because they heard someone else make that statement and they see it on tv. It is hyped by the promoters of MMA that 90% of all street fights end up on the ground. They have no real statistics to prove this.
Traditional jujitsu is different. It uses stand up and also incorporates ground techniques.
One of the weakness of jui jitsu (BJJ) is that it does not factor in the probability that on the street there will be more than one attacker. Therefore while they are getting guard an attacker has hit them in the head from behind. This particular style works great in the octagon. It will work well when the fight is one on one with no weapons.
My personal preference would be to use something that will allow my to survive a multitude of attacks or attackers, with or without weapons.
I don%26#039;t mean to take anything away from the MMA guys. They are usually in great physical shape. They are often great individual fighters. But my goal doesn%26#039;t involve fighting in a the cage. It just doesn%26#039;t work for me. I think it is a great art with great fighters.
I think someone mentioned this too. The other one that a lot of people talk about is Krav Maga. They attempt to make it special because the Israeli Army train in this. But every military train in some form of martial arts for hand to hand combat. Just because the Israelis use it doesn%26#039;t make it any better than any other art or training.
There are no best styles. There are better fighters, school, trainers, instructor, etc. In addition to being better fighter there will always be someone better.|||I like standing up and striking, but I see the value in knowing some grappling - here%26#039;s why:
Let%26#039;s say you get attacked by 2 guys. You - personally - a striker. Let%26#039;s say that in the course of the attack you trip over something and fall to the ground. 1 of the 2 guys goes down with you to a grappling position...now what do you do? If you know how to grapple you can sweep the guy on top of you and get back up. If you don%26#039;t know how to get a guy off you...suddenly you%26#039;ve got 2 guys on you and you%26#039;re defenseless.
I think the study of grappling for a striker is very important just so that you can effectively stand back up in the event that you end up on the ground. If you have no idea how to get a fight back to your element, you%26#039;ve lost the fight!
I%26#039;m not saying everyone should become a grappling specialist, but they SHOULD know how to do basic sweeps, clinch tactics, reversals, and takedown defense. |||Frankly, it%26#039;s the buzzword of the moment. Most people think Jujutsu is what they see on TV without understanding a difference between classical jujutsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Honestly, jujutsu is great. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is great. Kempo is great. The hundreds of different style of Kung Fu are great. Taijutsu is great. Tang Soo Do is great. Everything is great, if you love martial arts. People who say they love martial arts then espouse one style being greater than another do not love martial arts. (For the record, I love martial arts, but I hate martial artists :D)
You are, of course, absolutely right. The fight is never you against one opponent, but you against the unknown. Believing it%26#039;s all one on one and that you could freely tangle up with someone on the ground is foolish. But this is what differentiates BJJ from jujutsu. Maeda was an expert on groundwork from Judo (Kano jujutsu, transliterated as Jiu-Jitsu), so it%26#039;s understandable that their focus would stem from it. As for the 90% of fights statistic, there was a discussion on it about a week ago. Check the resolved questions.
The problem with people saying what%26#039;s best is that they argue using statistics that support their claims, and usually with misguided ones. The 90% of fights one is a prime example. Here, you%26#039;ll see a user posting a chart that %26quot;proves%26quot; that %26quot;jujitsu%26quot; is best (with totally inaccurate representations of other arts). I%26#039;ve seen people claim Karate is best by pointing out how many people study it. I%26#039;ve had a sensei here in Vegas try to get me on the mat just to prove Kempo is best (This, btw, would not prove what style was best, only which fighter within prescribed boundaries. I declined.)
I don%26#039;t agree that a solely standup style is in any way better. I believe that the ultimate goal of being taken to the ground should be to get up. I believe that the ultimate goal of being wrangled into a personal fight is to find a way to escape. But this is where my training differs from many people%26#039;s. If I go to the ground by choice, it%26#039;s in a control position, with my back straight and head up, using my sense of touch to follow his movements and using my eyes and ears to look for other possible threats.|||Most people suggest Jujitsu because it doesn%26#039;t take a whole lot of martial training, speed or strength to incapacitate an aggressor by breaking an elbow with an elbow lock.
All you need to know is how to capture the offered arm and put a bit of pressure on it.
I am talking about JAPANESE Jujitsu (spelled jiujitsu in the early translations)...
as for those who advocate BJJ -- I haven%26#039;t got a clue!
For those who don%26#039;t differentiate -- SHAME ON YOU!
By default %26quot;Jujitsu%26quot; = Japanese Jujitsu|||You are absolutely right when on the ground beware, but you DID say jujitsu not just BJJ. The non-bjj class I took the trouble to observe worked with standing strikes as well as throws and ground work. All of which are functional responses in a self defense situation. Jujitsu/BJJ etc seems to be much more available than let%26#039;s say tang soo do thus making it more practical to take up... At least in the areas I resided.|||i totally agree with you man!
bjj is great for being in an octagon or a ring and grappling on the ground although it has some standing techniques it would be **** as self defense!
how often is a self defense situation 1 on 1? more like 3 on 1 are you gonna wanna hug the guy and try choke him out while his boys stand your face into the ground!!
mostly its idiots who watch ufc say this or people who have trained for maybe 6 months and think there ******* rambo!
be warned anyone can beat anyone,nice connection with the chin or temple and your out!|||Because bjj is a street fighting martial which concentrates on real life stuff that works (the motto is the technique gets tossed if it doesn%26#039;t work). Where as in the other arts they concentrate on their mastering of the style without regard to the practicality. How do we know....cause these ma masters get there *** handed to them all over the world....but they still won%26#039;t admit that the mental set is inferior.
And for multiple opponent the martial arts won%26#039;t help much either maybe a master with alot of street experience but ill tell you someone in bjj for a few months could handle himself pretty well on the street.
Most MA%26#039; dont street fight so they have no idea, they just speculate with what they are taught...many bjj students do and have street fought....so they know.|||Not only might they have an accomplice to aid them, they might be stronger than you physically and you don%26#039;t want to grapple with someone stronger then you.
For a majority of persons, learning how to control an attack so that you don%26#039;t have to wrestle/grapple with an opponent would seem much wiser and a great deal safer.
Using kick aimed at the waist or below, full range punches and joint manipulations so as to redirect an attackers energy would seem more effective.|||I am traditionally an Okinawan and Chinese stylist.
Many of my friends are Jujutsu practitioners and I can attest to its effectiveness.
They have a harder time with me because of my Tuidi and kyusho - or should I say my Koryu training.
They don%26#039;t normally meet karateka who can escape from and counter their grappling attempts.
Jujutsu is quick and easy to learn, and just as effective.
I%26#039;m talking Japanese Jujutsu.|||i don%26#039;t know about martial arts or anything, but i grew up in rough neighborhood, and the best streets fighters were skilled at %26quot;wrestling%26quot;.
all they had to do was get you on ground, and it%26#039;s pretty much over.
the guys who boxed, usually were useless in close range, and ran out of energy really fast.|||Can in middle 90%26#039;s, when UFC came to light, the Brazilian Ju jitsu was the first to make the most oustanding performance and beated the rest of the martial arts.
This is because in a one-to-one fight... you%26#039;ll always end up in the floor.. and ju jittsu speciallices in floor fighting.... it%26#039;s unbeatable here...
Then only thing that the Graces should do to beat all the opponents those times,,, where to through them down... and do the job there...|||If you train your ground work with the idea of escaping from the ground and not taking him to the ground or staying on the ground it becomes street viable.There are many jujutsu techniques designed to do that but they have been ignored for sport play by just about all contestants.|||Brazilian jiu jujitsu is all ground work with a couple of throws while jujitsu focus more on standing up with less ground work
but i think krav maga is probably the best for self defense|||tao j just imparted wisdom in its truest form.
great answer by him.
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