In real fighting scenarios (eg. street, military, pub brawl) is there a more effective martial art than BJJ?|||In my view, no style is best. My personal exerience tells me that MMA is, for me the better way of looking at fighting. MMA is not a style it is more of a way of comb. various styles to create one that works best for you. BJJ is, for me, on the top of my list as far as one on one combat. I think that in today%26#039;s world a system of real life combat requires BJJ. No one system has the answers to all the questions. That is why I always suggest that you train in several diff. styles and work out a way that is best for you. But if I had to study an already estab. system and only one, BJJ would be the answer for me.
Be as eclectic as you can. That is the true answer in my view.|||well i did 6 years of boxing and was good at it till some one bigger drop me on the ground with wealth on top of me. boxing didn%26#039;t work at all now i train bjj and i can do ground or strikes bjj its a complete street style of fighting|||In a life or death fight, with one or more opponents, you may not have time to take someone to the ground and fight them there. BJJ,MMA,UFC class of fighters are effective in some situations. But what if you need to stop that person in one or two blows,break bones,attack nerves,snap necks,take out eyes? Can you win in 2 seconds or 2 minutes? In a REAL fight, I don%26#039;t want to throw you away,wrestle with you or any thing that will prolong the battle. Now given that, if the fight is nonfatal or in the ring with its rules then BJJ, MMA fighters can%26#039;t be beat!|||No. There are many good systems. It is the artist, not the art.|||I practice Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as my dominant martial art, I have a history of greco-roman wrestling, along with Muay Thai/Tae Kwan Do. I am an MMA fighter, and I also teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu a few times a week. I was also in the United States Marine Corps, so I can give you both the ups and downs of this art in a real life situation. I%26#039;m going to be completely honest here, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu CAN be effective in a hand to hand combat situation. However, I wouldn%26#039;t reccomend that be the only art you study. If you are speaking in terms of a street brawl where there are absolutely no holds barred, then I wouldn%26#039;t reccomend basing your defensive arsenal entirely off of BJJ. You can take a good deal of the techniques you learn from the art and apply them when necessary, but you are going to have to break the traditional rules a bit.
For most realistic fights, I always reccomend studying an art that bases itself around pressure points and %26quot;dirty%26quot; style fighting. Why? Say you%26#039;re in a scenario where a guy has you on the ground and he%26#039;s pounding you. Do you think you%26#039;re going to be wasting your time trying to trap an arm and utilizing an Upa mount escape (a BJJ technique)? No. Why do that when you can just gouge his eye? From an MMA standpoint and most light realistic situations, sure, BJJ as with other MMA arts are effective. However, if the situation is a bit more serious than that, you%26#039;re not gonna wanna worry about getting someone in your guard and submitting them. If you knock someone down, are you really going to mount him and then ground and pound? Hell no, I%26#039;m going to stomp his face in from above. I hope you see my point.
This is the reason that the Marine Corps Martial Arts program takes all the effective moves from a multitude of martial arts and applys them into their training itinerary. So, in brief; Brazilian Jiu Jitsu holds some water in realistic fighting, but it%26#039;s not smart to base your entire defensive arsenal off of its techniques.|||BJJ is NOT hand to hand combat. thats what they want you to think so you sign up. it is joint manipulation and submission grappling. NOT H2H combat.
if you want to train for more realistic fight scenarios, rolling around wearing a gi wont give it to you. you have to find someplace that trains in street clothes and shoes and the focus is on attack points of the enemy and the ways to pull it off, while traditional arts focus on technique and less damaging impact areas like punching the head.
punching the head relies on the opponent having a low tolerance to pain and/or the attacker being accurate and full force. under adrenalised situations, finesse is gone. not because you dropped your nuts, but because adrenaline distorts your cognitive abilities including fine motor skill.
if your focus is on maim points like throat, knees, eyes you can impact them any way you can and achieve a lot of damage that does not rely on pain as a deterrent. impacting the throat will cause serious injury in only one strike. H2H involves minimum time frames and minimum energy expenditure.
if a style trains for points or trophies, it isnt H2H.
if it relies on fine motor skill techniques (requiring concentration, accuracy, focus) it isnt H2H
not dropping sh!t on BJJ, but it isnt what people assume it is. great art, yes, but as soon as you CHOOSE to submit someone on the ground you expose yourself to attack by others. it is a one on one art, and even though most are, the stand up fighters can atleast move around to improve their odds, while the guy who needs to hold on and control someone has lost his hands in subduing the enemy.
I wouldnt want to ring fight under MMA rules.
I wouldnt want to fight a boxer under his rules too.
but when rules have gone, how safe is your art, and is it still a useful tool?
adrenaline is intense when you fight away from the trainers and hall, and adrenaline WILL cause problems. thats why most bar fights have hay makers all over the place. because all the finesse has gone. it is unavoidable under the effects of cognitive prioritising. people who you saw fight well against a bag or in sparring fight totally different outside.
if you want to be better at what ever you train in, learn about adrenaline and its effects. it does the same thing to everyone, whether they show it or not. the key is to control it through awareness before it controls you. once tunnel vision starts you may be a psycho, but you will go down through lack of environmental insight. so learn about it, and then decide if your art/s are able to function while under adrenalines grip, and learn anti-anxiety techniques involving control of breathing... this can make your odds better straight away.|||%26quot;Effective%26quot; is dependent on the skill and competence of the martial ARTIST, not the martial art.
.|||There%26#039;s a lot of dumping on BJJ here, but it is one of the most effective forms no doubt. There are many locks you can do from a standing position. And really anything that is a lock is only a good jerk away from a full break. For example someone who really knows what he is doing can take an opponent down and break their arm and be standing back up in a matter of seconds. We%26#039;re trained not to go to that point and watch for the tap, but in a street fight arms would be broken, elbows and knees would be dislocated making the opponent useless. Even a standing kimora can destroy a guys shoulder if you decided to.
In a street fight against a few opponents the strategy is to totally debilitate each oppnet one at a time. Permanently breaking limbs and putting someone unconscious is better than a punch in the face.
All this being said I also train muay Thai. To someone untrained I can decide to stand or to roll and fight them. But against a really good BJJ opponent he can take me down and finish me.|||BJJ is in NO WAY the most effective hand to hand style.
Imagine this scenerio: You%26#039;re in a bar and some guy picks a fight with a BJJ stylest. While the BJJ guy is grappling on the ground with the guy that started the fight, the BJJ guy is being kicked in the head by some of the other guy%26#039;s buddies. BJJ only teaches you to handle one person at a time. What if there are two or more?|||The simplest answer is NO... Dot...
More to the point, a fighter should be able to aaply their art at all ranges of fighting against all tactics.|||BJJ is one of the best arts to know if you want to fight, But if you are going for hand to hand, like some of these people say, you might come across more than one person, Kickboxing and judo. You can throw them, kick them and punch them.
lets be real, a street fight or hand to hand is nothing fancy so going with some martial art wont work. I have been in plenty of brawls and let me tell ya, spin kicks and karate chops wont work. You straight out punch and throw the person around. Kickboxing will teach you a balance of punching and kicking that are effective for stopping your oppisition. if you throw a bit of judo throwing its perfect for a multi person brawl. You can throw one guy, come up kick another and throw a punch and walla, you have done minimum work with max result :-)|||Id have to say Karate would be more effective, because your taught to use your whole body as a weapon, but with BJJ it focuses more on grappling meaning they attack the joints by using locks and submissions to win, so in reality BJJ is more effective if a fight is taking to the ground.|||Its hard to pick one. I know BJJ experts usually have good success in MMA but at the same time they sometimes get KO%26#039;d in the 1st round. I guess I would call BJJ and Muay Thai a draw. If you just practice one then the other one can beat you. Jujitsu is very good but unless you do alot of stand up training you always have a chance of being KO%26#039;d.|||The reason you see BJJ bandied about (full disclosure: I train BJJ), is the training methods, there%26#039;s nothing magical about the name.
Aliveness (google for Matt Thornton and Aliveness), is the thing you%26#039;re looking for for effective martial arts. There are more than one. You hear BJJ because it%26#039;s got good PR, but there are others. Judo, Sambo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Western Boxing, to name a few.
Any system where the other guy gets a reward for handing you a beating is going to do better then one where the rewards are for repeating a kata, or form.
BJJ is certainly ONE of the more effective arts, but certainly not the only one.|||Most fights have a 70% chance of ending up on the ground, if you are better at finishing at the ground than the stats are on your side. A more diverse training of the many different styles out there will allow you to better adapt to a way fighting best fit for you. Mixing Martial arts is what you do to evolve the art of defense.|||All u have to train for is efficiency. apply your strongest weapon to the opponents weakest target(groin,shins,knees,eyes,ext) jujitsu is based on competition more than actual fighting so don%26#039;t forget foul tack tics (biting,pinching,hair pulling,ext..) above all is speed.instead of looking to styles just look to your self u can train your self better than any one,u know your self better than any instructor, the only secret to martial arts is not in the style but in the person.when it all is broken down combat is nothing more than punches and kicks.so when u are fighting any one don%26#039;t see the person(mister military man or 3rd degree black belt guy) see targets .u have to have to have the mental advantage as well as the physical u Know when someone does not have the right mental attitude when they say things like what if there%26#039;s multiple guys, or hes bigger than me. If u have to fight than man u fight!
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